High Morals Drifters (27)
“…if you disagree with Rousseau, Stet, what are you going to put in his place as a theory of a truly Democratic state? You can see how he has taken care of Locke and Hobbes and other social contract theorists.”
“Well, sir, I don’t know that I have seen this, since I don’t know exactly what Locke and Hobbes are doing with this idea of a social contract. I have read those selections, sir; all this about nature and convention seems so fuzzy to me."
"How can you say that?"
"I do not see how you get conventions from nature. The terms seem opposed the way Rousseau uses them. So it depends on how you define them.”
“But these positions are just stepping stones to a more complete analysis.”
“Yes sir, but you can show a Leviathan coming from nature as Hobbes seems to do, by basing it on mutual self preservation. Or you can assume moral conventions belong to man as man, as Locke does, and make a kind of natural right. Then base a society on that. In both cases, you run nature and convention together, so it is not clear what they are and how they differ. Or you can try to divide them more or less absolutely as Rousseau, and you get an ideal that is unachievable, something that is just purely theoretical which you can’t get to from here.”
“Again, these positions lead elsewhere.”
“How do they lead anywhere if they don’t make sense to begin with? I mean the county is going to fix the roads or not fix them no matter what you put.”
“Back to the county and its happy tillers.”
“Yes, sir, I am afraid so.”
“You have to “put” something; you cannot think clearly without some theoretical reconciliation of these positions.”
“Well, if you did not have the confusion called "the state of nature" in the first place, what would you need to reconcile?”
“You have these positions, or positions like them, as soon as you start thinking about civil society, Stet. You need to see how far they will take you and what their point is.”
“Sorry, I just never noticed them before. I have a hunting license, which is part of the civil society; so is the hunting season. But when I’m running my dogs, I just run my dogs and think about where they’re going next and if they see the bird and all of that. I don't need a theory of a state of nature to do this.”
“You don’t think about what the dog is going to do to the bird?”
“Well, the bird is usually dead, sir.”
“Dead?”
“I’ve usually shot him, unless somebody else has, sir.”
“Oh.”
“I have a sheep dog that will pick a grackle out of the air, if it comes too close; but we’d go hungry if we waited for that event.”
“Amazing. Are you aware of the embedded cruelty in your way of life?”
“No, sir.”
“Well, that is one of those theoretical notions that you need to reconcile.”
“With getting dinner?”
“Possibly, yes.”
“I’ll do my best to see the point of this, sir.”